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		<title>The crazy balance of your mind</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 03:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I share this in hopes of gaining more insight from this collective wisdom. This morning Carol Howard Merritt, alumni from APTS, discussed the financial disparity that exists out there in ChurchWorldLand.  She says, “I wish that each pastor had a set amount, based on cost of living, housing, experience, and education. A set salary, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I share this in hopes of gaining more insight from this collective wisdom. This morning <a href="http://tribalchurch.org/">Carol Howard Merritt</a>, alumni from APTS, discussed the financial disparity that exists out there in ChurchWorldLand.  She says, “I wish that each pastor had a set amount, based on cost of living, housing, experience, and education. A set salary, where certain things don’t matter—things like ethnicity, age, gender. And certain things do matter, like how much you had to go into debt to get your seminary education.”  Carol I am with you.  It hurts deeply to imagine a world full of debt and suffering in a place that is supposedly home to most of the world’s wealth.</p>
<p>I will be the first person to admit that even our lowest standard of living is higher than many countries average daily income levels.  We are not the worst.  We are also sitting atop a volatile mountain of debt, spending, and imaginary power cells.  What the fuck are we living for?  Where is the service to Christ?  Where is the transformation?  We are dying as a church in the west and people say they care but they are not supporting it.</p>
<p>I wrote this in response to Carol’s post.  I am not a pastor, but a seminarian on the verge of graduation.  I am terrified to go into ministry.  All of the fears you spoke of add to my anxiety.  What shall I do to ensure I can afford to raise a family or even serve a congregation?  I heard far too much, “trust God!  It is a matter of faith.”  I agree trusting God is the beginning.  Where is the practice of trust when it comes to financial support from the congregations?  Folks will complain, but they will not support.</p>
<p>We are all to blame in the decline.  We are part of the problem.  This stance of “trust God and if you do not then you have no faith” removes the responsibility from congregations, the Body, and all have in supporting the church.  We do not train pastors for free.  Is it fair and good stewardship to expect these individuals to shoulder the cost of training that is required?</p>
<p>We have to pay 80 dollars per ordination exam &#8212; that is 400 dollars if you can pass these antiquated monsters in the first shot.  Not many do!  Then there are the psychological evaluations, anywhere from 600 to 2500 dollars. Then the cost of seminary itself, from 10,000 to 15,000 per year for tuition and an additional 10,000 or so to live each year. That is about 60,000 to 75,000 in debt to begin your service with. We need to be smarter with this. If we say we are concerned with the death of the church then we need to step up and support.</p>
<p>The day of the full time pastor maybe behind us. I for one think it is.  We must seek sustainable ways to minister in the context to which we find ourselves.  Does this mean we have to do away with seminaries and the education they provide?  No, the seminary education is foundational to service in the reformed tradition.  We must change our lives to live responsibly and centered on Christ.</p>
<p>I used to joke that I wanted to open the First Presbyterian Church of Holy Rollers Bowling Alley.  I am no longer joking.  Is a coffee house, pub, bowling alley, or restaurant the answer?  It is sustainable and attracts folks.  In some areas it would respond to the desire and need of a distanced population.  It would provide a place for community, care, warmth, outreach, and financial resistance.  We just need folks to grasp the idea.  Like one of my favorite groups would said, &#8220;Rage full on!&#8221;</p>
<p>In conjunction with a new way we can inventory our stuff and ask: Do we need the ipod?  The newest phone?  The cable TV?  The two cars?  The this or the that?  All of this stuff is nice.  What does it say about what you live your life for and for whom you live for?  I am a f&#8217;king hypocrite right along with many of us. I crave the technologies! The Apple computers. The name brand running shoes, the jeans, the shirts, the designer vitamins and food. I love to eat out and am overweight and a burden to this world. I do not practice all that I preach. I need grace, forgiveness, and courage to be what I have witnessed in this world. To stand against the tyranny of consumerism and stereotypes, and hopelessness.</p>
<p>There is a better way.  Please pray about it and pray that we can find the way to the cross and sit at the feet of Jesus. The rebel rousing Jesus that roundhouse kicks the money lenders out of a house of Prayer. WTFWJD?</p>
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		<title>A Call to Ministry in a postmodern world</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ryan kemp-pappan</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[I have been working on a project for a few months now.  I am finally putting it together.  I apologize for the cross pollination from my site.  I wanted to get some feed back from y&#8217;all before I finalize anything.  I am shooting for a C or maybe a B-.  [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been working on a project for a few months now.  I am finally putting it together.  I apologize for the cross pollination from <a href="http://ryanpappan.blogspot.com">my site</a>.  I wanted to get some feed back from y&#8217;all before I finalize anything.  I am shooting for a C or maybe a B-.  Someone has to be average.</p>
<p>There has been much ado about postmodernism these days. There is postmodern architecture, postmodern philosophy, postmodern art, postmodern film, postmodern literature, postmodern music, postmodern theater, postmodern theology, and even postmodern postmodernism. You cannot escape conversation in many circles without postmodernism entering into it and mocking your modern intellectual vision.</p>
<p>The effects upon the cultural landscape moves today into tension with tomorrow. It begs us to ask the questions of where, when, why, and how of the very human fabric that weaves history, time, and space into a society or does it?</p>
<p>No matter how you interpret postmodernism you must contend that it is a reaction to the status quo. It is rooted in an outsider perspective that mounts attitudes of “us verses them” upon a position of entitlement.</p>
<p><strong>What is Postmodern Theology?</strong><br />
Postmodern Christian theology is a theology rooted in reaction to the status quo. It should be counter-cultural in nature. It seeks to disturb and transform those engaged in the practice of theology. It looks to the pervading culture for means to express and illuminate the gospel message of Jesus Christ. It must not be comfortable or commodified. Theology that seeks to transform cannot and should not be consumed like fun size Halloween candy. To partake in the radical transforming nature of the gospel direct opposition to the status quo is called for.</p>
<p>Gone is the ability to stoically sit by as the gospel is used to propagate a conquering message that excludes and builds division. We are far to concerned with difference rather than similarities.</p>
<p>All are called to ministry. All are sought after to serve. In the Presbyterian tradition being a Minister of the Word and Sacrament does not entitle you to anything more than service. There is no difference between congregation and pastor. We are a body of Believers! Some of us have lost our salt. We are SALboosT as a denomination already.</p>
<p>Where must we go from here?</p>
<p><strong>My outcome in this process</strong><br />
In the course of researching the topic of Postmodern understanding of call I conducted many interviews. I came across a few conclusions:</p>
<ol>
<li>Call is relative to one&#8217;s culture.</li>
<li>Postmodern understanding of call is rooted in vocational understanding and a longing for security.</li>
<li>Action is called for today. we must seek to engage the culture around us to become effective instruments of witness.</li>
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<p>There is need for ministers, pastors, and preachers. There is also a need for the understanding of these roles to sift and become more flexible. Churches would benefit from becoming uncomfortable and challenge he status quo. What are you protecting and from what are you protecting it from? In a world full of adjectives, may we be a people of verbs.</p>
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		<title>Thoughts on Ordination Exams</title>
		<link>http://presbymergent.org/2007/08/27/thoughts-on-ordination-exams/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Adam Walker Cleaveland</dc:creator>
		
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Today marked one less hoop to jump through, hopefully. The Church Polity Ordination Exam was today, and it was the last of 4 (Church Polity, Theology, Worship &#38; Sacraments, and Exegesis) ordination exams PC(USA)ers have to take - and pass - in order to get ordained. I say hopefully because I thought this exam was [...]]]></description>
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<p>Today marked one less hoop to jump through, hopefully. The Church Polity Ordination Exam was today, and it was the last of 4 (Church Polity, Theology, Worship &amp; Sacraments, and Exegesis) ordination exams PC(USA)ers have to take - and pass - in order to get ordained. I say hopefully because I thought this exam was pretty straight-forward and simple. That post-exam feeling can be good - or it can mean that I totally didn&#8217;t <em>get</em> the questions. I&#8217;m hoping that it means I just did well and my Presbyterian Polity course at <a href="http://www.ctsnet.edu">Columbia</a> really paid off.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really not a fan of these ordination exams. While it&#8217;s just one way to &#8220;test&#8221; to see if you&#8217;re ready to be a minister in the Presbyterian Church (USA), an incredible amount of weight is put on these <strong>timed exams</strong>. You have three hours for each of the Church Polity, Theology and Worship &amp; Sacraments exams, and you get about a week for the take-home exegesis exam. If you fail, you fail - and you can&#8217;t move on in the ordination process until you&#8217;ve passed. Let alone the fact that some people aren&#8217;t good test-takers, it is an incredibly inauthentic process. You basically just have to say what you <em>think</em> the readers/graders of the exams are going to want to hear. So whether or not you believe what you write, and whether or not you&#8217;d actually act in such a way when you actually get out into the real world of ministry, you still have to &#8220;pretend&#8221; to be a good, Book-of-Order-abiding Presbyterian Inquirer/Candidate for ministry. And then you have to get a good grader. If any of your own &#8220;personal&#8221; theology or thoughts on ministry slip through your 40+ pages of writing for the four exams, and your reader disagrees with you, they can mark you down. One reader told me that it also really depends on the reader&#8217;s mood. While I&#8217;m sure they are told to be as objective as possible - one could argue whether that really happens.</p>
<p>Should we get rid of ordination exams? I don&#8217;t know. Maybe. Some might then argue that we wouldn&#8217;t know if people know enough &#8220;Reformed theology&#8221; or if they are proficient enough in their Greek or Hebrew (as if most will ever continue to use it once in parish ministry). Shouldn&#8217;t the process be such that relationships are formed between Inquirers/Candidates and their CPMs (Committee on Preparation for Ministry) where the committees should know that anyway because of their history with each person in the process. I suppose that&#8217;s easier for me to say when my Presbytery currently only has 2 Inquirers/Candidates going through the process.</p>
<p><strong>There must be a better way. Anyone have any ideas?</strong></p>
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