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	<title>Comments on: Flirting With Seminary:  Emergent Monasticism?</title>
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		<title>By: Bosco Peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bosco Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 07:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings

I have just read Flirting with Monasticism and that is how I ended up at this site.
I wrote a review at my site http://www.liturgy.co.nz/worship/books.html
I think Neal&#039;s point is highlighted in the Dominican&#039;s surprise in Karen&#039;s book that one might just turn up at theological college without a foundation of spirituality. 
I am fascinated to translate monastic insights into our new context and am convinced that our only way forward is a deep spirituality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings</p>
<p>I have just read Flirting with Monasticism and that is how I ended up at this site.<br />
I wrote a review at my site <a href="http://www.liturgy.co.nz/worship/books.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.liturgy.co.nz/worship/books.html</a><br />
I think Neal&#8217;s point is highlighted in the Dominican&#8217;s surprise in Karen&#8217;s book that one might just turn up at theological college without a foundation of spirituality.<br />
I am fascinated to translate monastic insights into our new context and am convinced that our only way forward is a deep spirituality.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 22:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having just graduated from seminary I can appreciate Neal&#039;s hope.  In my most cynical view, there wasn&#039;t much in the way of spiritual monasticism while at Virginia Theological Seminary (I&#039;m an Episcopalian, sorry).  But to give it a far shake, there was certainly community; be it over books, over lunch, or over beers we spent time with each other, often hashing out what it means to be a people of faith following the Way of Jesus.  I pray that I will keep the generous memories with me, and forget my cynical nature.  I pray that Neal can do it too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having just graduated from seminary I can appreciate Neal&#8217;s hope.  In my most cynical view, there wasn&#8217;t much in the way of spiritual monasticism while at Virginia Theological Seminary (I&#8217;m an Episcopalian, sorry).  But to give it a far shake, there was certainly community; be it over books, over lunch, or over beers we spent time with each other, often hashing out what it means to be a people of faith following the Way of Jesus.  I pray that I will keep the generous memories with me, and forget my cynical nature.  I pray that Neal can do it too.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have not read Karen Sloan&#039;s book, but just ordered it after reading your post.

I have been an ordained minister in the PCUSA for 10 years now.  I often reflect on my time in seminary (I went to Pittsburgh Theological) and how helpful it was.

Initially in my ministry I felt as though -outside of constructing and preaching a sermon-seminary taught me very little about ministry.  

I served in a church in which the windows on the top floor had no screens.  The Senior pastor and I spent two hours one day trying to get two pigeons out of a classroom on that floor without harming them.  Seminary taught me nothing about that.

I served in another church in which a family disappeared while sailing on Lake Michigan.  I helped coordinate search teams.  Seminary taught me nothing about how to handle this task.

However, as I continue to reflect on this experiences and other like it, I feel as though seminary laid the groundwork for the importance of such events.

When the rest of the family received the worst possible news about their relatives sailing trip, I still didn&#039;t know exactly what to say while I sat with them.  But I did know why I needed to sit with them.

My experience was that seminary was what you made it.  I had a great time, took some parts seriously, other parts less so.

But the more I reflect, the more I see the value of that time, both professionally and personally.  I will pray for you as you continue to discern that call.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not read Karen Sloan&#8217;s book, but just ordered it after reading your post.</p>
<p>I have been an ordained minister in the PCUSA for 10 years now.  I often reflect on my time in seminary (I went to Pittsburgh Theological) and how helpful it was.</p>
<p>Initially in my ministry I felt as though -outside of constructing and preaching a sermon-seminary taught me very little about ministry.  </p>
<p>I served in a church in which the windows on the top floor had no screens.  The Senior pastor and I spent two hours one day trying to get two pigeons out of a classroom on that floor without harming them.  Seminary taught me nothing about that.</p>
<p>I served in another church in which a family disappeared while sailing on Lake Michigan.  I helped coordinate search teams.  Seminary taught me nothing about how to handle this task.</p>
<p>However, as I continue to reflect on this experiences and other like it, I feel as though seminary laid the groundwork for the importance of such events.</p>
<p>When the rest of the family received the worst possible news about their relatives sailing trip, I still didn&#8217;t know exactly what to say while I sat with them.  But I did know why I needed to sit with them.</p>
<p>My experience was that seminary was what you made it.  I had a great time, took some parts seriously, other parts less so.</p>
<p>But the more I reflect, the more I see the value of that time, both professionally and personally.  I will pray for you as you continue to discern that call.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Dubuc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Dubuc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Neal,

I&#039;m not much of a Presbyterian, but I&#039;ve been a member of a PCUSA congregation for the past 20 years.  I&#039;m a part-time seminary student at Ashland (http://www.ashland.edu/seminary/).  Last year I took a course on Emergent Christian Spirituality, the first time it was offered.  One other course, taught by the same professor, also drew heavily on emergent church ideas and writings.  &quot;School(s) for Conversion: 12 Marks of a New Monasticism&quot; (Rutba House) was one of the texts.  These courses are part of their spiritual formation offerings.  Hopefully PTS is offering courses like this.

I experience a fairly strong sense of community at ATS among the students and faculty considering that I&#039;m a part time commuter student. I wish I could participate in more of the campus life there which would include chapel and spiritual formation groups given my &quot;Sitz im Leben&quot;.

The strongest experience of community that I&#039;ve had hasn&#039;t come with the Presbyterian Church (unfortunately), but with a small, non-denominational church plant that I was involved with before that.  So much of what the emergent church is doing now reminds me of the house church movement in the &#039;70s and early &#039;80s.   It&#039;s great to see ideas that Howard Snyder was writing about back then reemerging.  I hope they take deeper root this time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Neal,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not much of a Presbyterian, but I&#8217;ve been a member of a PCUSA congregation for the past 20 years.  I&#8217;m a part-time seminary student at Ashland (<a href="http://www.ashland.edu/seminary/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ashland.edu/seminary/</a>).  Last year I took a course on Emergent Christian Spirituality, the first time it was offered.  One other course, taught by the same professor, also drew heavily on emergent church ideas and writings.  &#8220;School(s) for Conversion: 12 Marks of a New Monasticism&#8221; (Rutba House) was one of the texts.  These courses are part of their spiritual formation offerings.  Hopefully PTS is offering courses like this.</p>
<p>I experience a fairly strong sense of community at ATS among the students and faculty considering that I&#8217;m a part time commuter student. I wish I could participate in more of the campus life there which would include chapel and spiritual formation groups given my &#8220;Sitz im Leben&#8221;.</p>
<p>The strongest experience of community that I&#8217;ve had hasn&#8217;t come with the Presbyterian Church (unfortunately), but with a small, non-denominational church plant that I was involved with before that.  So much of what the emergent church is doing now reminds me of the house church movement in the &#8217;70s and early &#8217;80s.   It&#8217;s great to see ideas that Howard Snyder was writing about back then reemerging.  I hope they take deeper root this time.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Sloan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen Sloan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 00:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neal, what a fantasy of seminary!  I&#039;m praying that at least some of this dream will be realized.

BTW, for more about Dominicans in seminary &amp; my search for community, check out this Relevant Magazine e-newsletter article:
http://www.relevantmagazine.com/850/012907/012907.htm

Thanks Neal.

Are there any other Presbyterian monastic flirts reading this conversation?  Where have you found community?

;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neal, what a fantasy of seminary!  I&#8217;m praying that at least some of this dream will be realized.</p>
<p>BTW, for more about Dominicans in seminary &#038; my search for community, check out this Relevant Magazine e-newsletter article:<br />
<a href="http://www.relevantmagazine.com/850/012907/012907.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.relevantmagazine.com/850/012907/012907.htm</a></p>
<p>Thanks Neal.</p>
<p>Are there any other Presbyterian monastic flirts reading this conversation?  Where have you found community?</p>
<p> <img src='http://presbymergent.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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